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velar backing in 7 year old HELP! Options
ttopsahl
#1 Posted : Monday, January 02, 2012 2:09:09 PM
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My daughter is 7 and has been been seeing a SLP since she was 4. She scored a 60 on the Goldman-Fristoe Test with 28 errors. Initial position g/d. d/sh, k/ch, g/s, w/r. Medial position k/t, k/sh k/ch with same on final position. Scored 71% on stopping of fircatives and affticates, 8% on cluster simplification and 8% on liquid simplification. Aslo displayed processes of velar backing.

I am looking for ideas on what I can do to help, we have been doing the repetitive words, repeating, looking in mirror and sounds do not seem to be getting any better. She does do better speaking in shorter sentences but words become less clear in complex sentences.
Mary Lou SLP
#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:23:43 PM
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I am sorry I have not responded sooner! I must have missed your post. It surprises me that your daughter still has so many speech sound errors after 3 years of therapy. Does your SLP target one specific sound at a time? Does she utilize many methods in order to elicit the correct sound in isolation/syllables/single words during therapy sessions? Does she give you specific daily home practice? Do you observe the sessions?

How is your daughter doing in other areas of learning such as reading, spelling, math? How well does she understand language and express herself with language?

I hope you will write back!

Mary Lou
Mary Lou B. Johnson, M.S.,CCC-SLP
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ttopsahl
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:03:39 PM
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Mary Lou, Thanks for your response. We have been making some progress but it concerns me that it hasn't been better. She does a process with her SLP where they target a specific sound for a period of time and when they have gone through the cycle they move on to the next sound that she has trouble on and so forth and then circle back around and do the process over again. We get words to work on at home and she can get the sound but putting the sound together in a word is much harder. For example her sh is very muffled and has little or no airflow. We have worked with speech apps also on the ipad (artikpix, speech tutor). She definately can here the difference in how she says the sound compared to how it is supposed to sound. It is like she can't get her tongue to go into the right positions to make the sounds that require any front of the mouth tongue placement. She is a very bright girl and excels in all other aspects of school. She is in the top reading and math group in her 1st grade class and has always achieved the challenge list in spelling. So her speech challenges have not carried over to any other learning areas. I just am concerned I am missing something or maybe there is a better approach to get her to be able to make and blend those sounds. Thanks for any help you can give me. Tammy
Mary Lou SLP
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:19:32 PM
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Hi Tammy,

I use the "cycles" approach, too, so I can certainly support that for a child who has multiple sounds to acquire. I share your concern that she should be doing a lot better after 3 years of focused therapy. Most of what you describe fits with a diagnosis of apraxia of speech (difficulty sequencing or blending sounds with others in words, difficulty placing her tongue as needed, having more difficulty in connected speech.) Does she mispronounce words that have multiple syllables such as saying, "busketti" for spaghetti? When you commented on her weak airflow for "sh", it made me wonder if she is having difficulty maintaining oral air pressure. Do a lot of her words sound hypernasal (like she is talking through her nose)? Or, does it ever sound like air is leaking out of her nose when she speaks? If yes, has her SLP ever commented on this? If she is hypernasal and has difficulty with pressure sounds like s, sh, f--are her k and g sounds good?--she could have a submucus cleft of the hard palate (not visible since it would be covered by skin) or have a short or poorly functioning soft palate. She could be retaining her backing productions to try to "close the port" at the back of her mouth to try to keep as much sound in her mouth as possible. This is all speculation, of course, but this would be worth ruling out. I am assuming that your daughter has good hearing. If it hasn't been checked, it should be.

Ask me some questions or fill me in on some more sound error types if you would like. Speech production improvement is my "thing" so I am very interested in your daughter's situation.

How wonderful that your daughter is excelling at school! What she say to you about her speech difficulties?

Mary Lou
Mary Lou B. Johnson, M.S.,CCC-SLP
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:54:27 PM
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Hello- all of what Mary Lou said- also I am not sure what sounds she is working on specifically right now but if it seems like she is having difficulty with front of tongue sounds just make sure that the slp takes a look at the frenum- (tissue that connects the tongue to the floor of the mouth)- if it is tight or short it could affect the tongue movement- some kids that have problems due to this can have problems with sounds where they have to use their tongue tip and may also have other oral motor/feeding problems and sometimes have trouble with feeding as babies,etc-


best of luck to you!

-Aileen
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ttopsahl
#6 Posted : Thursday, February 02, 2012 1:11:19 PM
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Aileen and Mary Lou,

I have an appointment tomorrow with an ENT doctor to check her palate and tissue under her tongue. I will keep you posted.
Mary Lou SLP
#7 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:37:57 AM
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ttopsahi,

I am really interested to hear what the ENT said about your daughter's hard and soft palates and the frenulum under her tongue. I hope you will write back.

Mary Lou
Mary Lou B. Johnson, M.S.,CCC-SLP
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ttopsahl
#8 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 11:05:57 AM
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Mary Lou,

The ENT doctor found no problems with her palates or frenulum. So we need to work harder with the articulation. Do you have any other ideas to help her make these sounds? You asked about her mispronouncing words for ex. for spaghetti she would say s(which is gargled) stop sometimes she can get the p stop and then getti. She will work really hard to get the sound but than will have a stop or break and then finish the word. She has more consistent blends in the end of the words but her s sounds are always gargled. Her SLP has not worked with her at all on the SH sound. We are both getting frustrated, I feel so bad for her because I see how hard she is working and how bad she wants to make those sounds correctly.

Thanks so much for your interest, it means the world to me. Tammy
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 6:23:38 PM
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Hello there- that is great that the ent ruled out structural issues! If it seems like your daughter is having a lot of trouble with sound sequences her slp might want to try working on words with syllables that progress in length- for example -words with one syllable, then 2 syllables, 3 syllables,etc. I have also found that for many of the kids I have worked with backward chaining where you say the end part first and then progress to the beginning helps a lot- so example- spaghetti would be worked on as "ghetti", then "paghetti", then "sssssssspaghetti",etc. Also, if your slp is working on getting a clearer s sound I would try to find out what techniques she is using so you can carry-over. I know you mention the sound sounds "gargled" Im not sure if you mean that it sounds like there is too much air coming out, or air coming out of the sides of the mouth,etc- if so sometimes using a straw in front of the mouth to make s while blowing air out of the straw can help with forward air flow if that might be the problem. Definitely keep in touch with her therapist so she can continue to give you ideas/techniques. I know it can be frustrating!- Both as a parent whose child has some speech issues and an slp I understand but keep continuing to work at it and keep in close touch with her therapist about your concerns.
best of luck to you!
-Aileen
www.insightspeech.com

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